Linux may become completely unusable.

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  1. Hollister

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    Putting this here because of the possibility of being a site issue

    From what I understand the creator of Linux which is Linus has a daughter who has gone complete SJW. She is starting to do things that could possibly destroy the kernel in ways that could damage the internet ways never seen because of the amount of servers that use linux. Since parts of the code in linux are owned by the person that wrote it, the SJW are having a fit with some of the coders and want to boot them from the source community which will remove the code they wrote in the kernel as per the contract.


    This is just to my understanding at the moment.

    Wondering if anyone else can confirm this for what is going on or if I misunderstood something.


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    This has literally nothing to do with the code. It has to do with a code of conduct in the Linux community, which has been about as toxic and shitty as 4chan. How is that going to destroy Linux? If people are throwing a shit fit it is because they want to continue being assholes to people and shitting on peoples code or people who need help with things.

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    I understand what is going on now as the sources I was reading had been everywhere and did more reading.


    The new CoC is written by a hard line SJW that constantly spews hate for meritocracy and anything male. Which often links both together while spewing more hate for both.


    Which has lead to many seeing this new CoC abused to crazy intent because of.

    Most of the anger comes from the vary possibility of the main contributors being kicked out because of a handful of people that contribute nothing having some feelings hurt.
     
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    Uh, sorry Giz, I'm with Hollister on this one. If a person is that hard against meritocracy, and because of that think it somehow supports white men? Then that person is a massive a bigot, and a hypocrite. It's the viewpoint of a person that can't compete without having things handed to them, either because of laziness or they are simply incapable.

    Thanks for the heads up, will look into it a bit more.
     
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    Is this the new CoC?

    If so, she's violating her own CoC, specifically, this line:
    With this rant:
    Which, BTW, there is no argument here. They site no facts, no sources, no reason. It's a rant, and it's entirely based on emotion.
     
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    ... does she know what a meritocracy is?
     
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    So, yea. You are both wrong and a cursory search would show this. The CoC was not written by Coraline Ada Ehmke. She wrote the Contributor Covenant which is used by Eclipse, Angular, Ruby, and Kubernetes. As well as many others. (Here is the list https://www.contributor-covenant.org/adopters)

    So while they are using something written by her, she did not somehow grasp power and force a CoC herself. You are buying into the conspiracy theorists. Could it be used the wrong way? Sure but I think that community needed something. They by in large took their lead from Torvalds himself who is a notorious asshole. It depends on how this is implemented. But I do not see people lining up to abandon Ruby or Kubernetes. Quite the opposite.

    The issue that everyone wants to reference was I agree a misuse of the CoC and she was not directly involved with the project.
     
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    I never said she grasped power by herself.

    The new CoC is based heavily on the contributer convenant. Which it basically is because of how much it uses which is the whole thing.

    I’m just saying that it will be abused by a small minority that contributes nothing to destroy what everyone else has built up just because they disagree on things that have nothing to do with Linux itself.


    Torvalds was always a asshole, nothing new. That’s just how some people are though.
     
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    I swear to god, if this fucks up my porn sites, I'll unleash a he'll upon them the likes of which has never been seen before! I will obliterate them!

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    So now that they have pandered to them they now belong to them and if you step out of line we all know what happens. Just look at Wil Wheaton and rian johnson. You either get back in line and apologize, or you fight and they attack until you no longer have a voice.

    The reason I think most of these SJW always hate meritocracy is because they can not comprehend the amount of time, work, and studying that goes on to actually learn what are very hard trades to master.


    The quote is from the home page of the contributor covenant.

     
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    Holy shit that seems a bit excessive. How certain are you of this being a real issue? Why do SJW's have anything to do with any of this?

    Edit: just read Ghizmo's post. Yeah, that sounds about right. Bottom line, Linus has the right to not cater to assholes.

    EDIT: While I agree that people creating a toxic work environment should not be tolerated, it appears this particular case is not that simple. See the post below for details.

    This conversation sounds just a bit divided on where you stand with identity politics. If people have anything further to add, keep it to *FACTUAL* information that directly impacts this website (which is the purpose of this subforum).

    This is not the place to debate policies of an open-source program (or how that relates to SJWs "ruining everything"). If you guys wish to debate this further, I suggest doing so in Taboo.
     
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    I have to admit, I have no real knowledge of how any of this works. Flessar was able to explain the issue in a way I understand the basics now.

    To Hollister's credit, he's not wrong to suggest this could potentially affect the ecosystem of the whole internet (or anyone running Linux).

    However, as of this post, nothing is set in stone. For my part, I will inform all our admin and we will prepare for the worst (hopefully it won't come to that). Nothing else need be said.

    For those curious about the details, here's the best article I could find that adequately explains the situation in "normie words":
    https://lulz.com/linux-devs-threaten-killswitch-coc-controversy-1252/
    (Admittedly, I have neither the patience nor knowledge to look very deeply into this so don't crucify me if you don't like something said in the article).
     
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