For Honor

Discussion in 'Other Games' started by Hollister, Jun 15, 2015.

  1. SheepHugger

    SheepHugger Well Liked Viking

    If they went for historical accuracy you'd have one side with 15th century full plates for everyone while wielding pickaxes because their armor is so good that wielding a shield would be redundant.

    Samurai for instance would all have light armor that can't even under best conditions oppose the pickaxe and their spears and bows would be largely ineffective against the armor and their swords would simply break.

    Vikings would be from wrong decade and thus they'd be hopelessly overwhelmed by the knights.

    Historically stuff was interesting because you didn't have 1:1 on even battlefield. For instance you could have something like 600 full plated knights defending an epic wall against 200,000 Turks in an epic last stand style battle with Byzantine engineers using greek fire under the city to incinerate the Bulgarian miners employed as sappers by the Turks.

    Imagine hacking those Janissaries to bits while shouting "DEUS VULT!" :omg:


    Obviously this would be an entirely different game and all and isn't even in the same genre as ORONOR.

    All that bullshit aside I hope this turns out to be fun.
     
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  2. TheoC

    TheoC Made Some Friends Viking

    Kinda want to play your game more than this now.. ;)
     
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  3. SheepHugger

    SheepHugger Well Liked Viking

    I know right? Like, Warhammer but historically accurate!
     
  4. SheepHugger

    SheepHugger Well Liked Viking

    Oh and if you survive long enough the corpses of your enemies will pile so high that they can walk across their own dead to reach the top of the walls! All the while with your side using the lulls in battle to arrange severed Janissary heads on the wall.

    That would be pretty fucking epic.
     
  5. MagnusEffect

    MagnusEffect Administrator Staff Member Jarl SC Huscarl

    It's been well established this game was never trying to be historically accurate. I love my history too, but there is such a thing as "poetic licensing". Not every game has to have its environment nailed to the floor in historical accuracy. :wat: Rule of Cool, guys.
     
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  6. Hollister

    Hollister Fun-Taker Berserker

    This will only make the weeabo ninja warriors even more fanatical in the idea a katana wielding person in light armor could actually beat a knight in full armor with a two handed sword.
     
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  7. Hepatitis TK

    Hepatitis TK Decorative Flounce Berserker

    They could, you filthy plebian! :unamused:
     
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  8. Solis Obscuri

    Solis Obscuri Well Liked Hirdman

    Key to fighting plate armor: aim between the plates.

    Also, most of the characters are wearing some kind of mix of leather/maile/brigandine, excepting the Lawbringer that isn't actually in game yet. Which is where you got all those big type XIIa/type XIIIa swords of war and falchions in the high medieval period, brute forcing through heavier maile with more mass and leverage (in much the same way that katana and odachi are quite hefty and sturdy), and then giving way to the more acutely pointed type XV through type XVIII (particularly the XV and XVII) as plate armor became widespread in usage.

    Heavy armor is useful, to a point, but armor isn't everything, and fatigue and limited mobility (and the various expenses in maintaining heavy horses and so on) all add up as limiting factors. And heavy weapons really suck against pretty much anything that isn't armored to the point of limited mobility - just slow and cumbersome, and often very short in reach. Comparing 12th-13th century Europe and Japan is roughly a fair fight; comparing 15th century Europe to 2+ centuries later Tokugawa era Japan really isn't, because by that point Japan is more interested in crawling up its own butt than being competitive on the world stage. Comparing both around the 16th century is going to be a lot of blending, because forward-thinking leaders like Nobunaga are aggressively importing useful technology (like firearms) for use in their armies and really perfecting their use alongside the better aspects of old traditional arts that still remain effective... but both sides are going to begin to look similar with lots of matchlocks and guys with spears and light cavalry instead of showing a dramatic and easily recognizable East vs. West divergence in technologies.

    I don't think that Ubisoft made a poor stylistic or historic choice between knights and Samurai here, but they did have to borrow Norse from two centuries earlier in order to not have them be identical to the Knights as a faction.
     
  9. Aspius

    Aspius Well Liked Hirdman

    $60 game
    $40 season pass
    microtransactions like a F2P game

    Still alot of bugs. Some where not even there during the beta.

    Gameplay is fairly fun just alot of issues with the game.
     
  10. Damion Sparhawk

    Damion Sparhawk The Missing Link Viking

    so basically it's a $100 game with microtransactions. fail.
     
  11. Hepatitis TK

    Hepatitis TK Decorative Flounce Berserker

    We're gonna get more shit like that in the near future. Too many suckers buying this shit up.
     
  12. Damion Sparhawk

    Damion Sparhawk The Missing Link Viking

    and soon people will stop buying games entirely and it'll all be FTP micro transactions, because these assholes will ruin it for everyone. :p
     
  13. Tuonela

    Tuonela Well Liked Berserker

    Its basically a fighting game with some other stuff thrown on top. And I strongly believe this game makes defending too easy, I'm getting old so my twitch response isnt' the best, but if I was a bit faster I could block/parry every strike that was thrown my way. Offense seems to get you killed.
     
  14. Hepatitis TK

    Hepatitis TK Decorative Flounce Berserker

    Exactly!
     
  15. Solis Obscuri

    Solis Obscuri Well Liked Hirdman

    As it should.

    You can use feints to draw a block, though, or you can guard break. Or throw, kick, shueld bash or headbutt an opponent hiding in guard. And most classes can use some kind of unblockable/uninterruptible attack.
     
  16. MagnusEffect

    MagnusEffect Administrator Staff Member Jarl SC Huscarl

    So definitely not a day one purchase. Good to know.

    Yeah, the game does look like a lot of fun at the basic level. Too bad Ubisoft decided to pack bullshit around it. I might still pick it up when it goes for half price. Sadly, most of the casual community will probably be gone by then. What a shame...

    Oh wait... lest we forget...

    https://www.taleworlds.com/en/Games/Bannerlord/News

    https://www.kingdomcomerpg.com/

    :glee:
     
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  17. Tuonela

    Tuonela Well Liked Berserker

    Feint may work, but guard breaks can be re-guard breaked or light attacked out of. Throws, kicks, etc, are basically guard breaks, same concept applies. Shield bash or shoulder bash are fairly easy to dodge, and all unblockable attacks are parryable. Just saying there is a perfectly viable counter to all those moves that can be down on a twitch basis, you don't even need to anticipate them coming (although it helps).
     
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  18. SheepHugger

    SheepHugger Well Liked Viking

    Yea, like said, it would be a whole different game and if you want a different game then you need to get that different game.

    There's no point in walzing into Tea Ceremony and saying you want more superbowl action.

    It's actually a really, really difficult thing to make good gameplay for a multiplayer game.

    Like, really difficult, man. Really. Difficult.


    Having platform limitations which exist even on PC is one thing, sawing your legs off and trying to run a marathon on your stumps while worshiping historical accuracy / real world authenticity is just how I described it.

    On a good day you may get a whole 5 people who will like the end result too.
     
  19. Hollister

    Hollister Fun-Taker Berserker

    well if you go with game theorist... yes.





    but if you go with any of the historians on youtube. they would say a lot of the stuff he said was just false and just plane wrong.

    brought to you by the historical trifecta of youtube.








    but this is a game

    not real.

    they need to add Chinese or Romans to the mix
     
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  20. Solis Obscuri

    Solis Obscuri Well Liked Hirdman

    Oh good, YouTube amateurs...