Official Derailed thread... Wait, what?

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  1. Damion Sparhawk

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    His mask is also perfectly silent, he makes those noises himself.
     
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    There's a certain desire, want and need shining through the writing. It also rejects every plot point, body language and spoken line in the whole story before and after the events in the throne room.

    Whatever floats someone's boat I guess. Internet is the promised land of "hey, probably Wright brothers weren't trying to build an aeroplane but it was a mistake and then they claimed they had done it on purpose". So much projection, wishful thinking and deliberate chaotic distortion these days. Boys are actually girls and girls are actually boys. Chessboard has no black and white squares, they're all grey.
     
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    Maybe it is the writing of the prequeels (well episode 2 and 3 at least) and the clone wars show, but "what is a dramatic thing I can do in this moment?" does work. I'm sure it's an effect of writing him as a great jedi or the best.
     
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    To me that would appear to be confusion of different layers and levels of operations.

    The character level - he is always troubled by his fall to the Dark Side. He is always troubled by his reliance on Sidious. In the EU he even tries to modify his suit to have better resistance to Force Lightning as he sees it alarming that he is so defenseless against Sidious.

    He constantly talks to Luke throughout the story of how he just wants to be with him, like father and son and they could just hang out together, fix everything, kill the emperor and watch some football together on thanksgiving with the missuses preparing a mighty feast - the whole shebang.

    The dramatic effect on the other hand is not that he is being dramatic. The dramatic effect is a plot device that is heavily foreshadowed throughout so that while it comes as a dramatic plot twist there is also that tiny hope for something to that end to occur; a father cannot just watch some old uncle figure torture-murder his only son. Even a person who has laid waste to countless worlds and done the unspeakable will still hopefully have that last shred of humanity left in him.

    So indeed for the character that is not in any way dramatic or primadonna-act. He has been trying to get back to his son while being restrained by his own thoughts and beliefs and the physical realities and now he finally has to break those shackles - the humanity left in him won't have it any other way. The father in him won't see the only good thing left of him - his children - corrupted and destroyed.

    For it's Luke that is the embodiment of the last good thing that he has achieved. A decent person. The one good thing he did was to create two decent persons and now the emperor wishes to torture-murder one and torture-corrupt the other.

    And that topples his cup. The very manner in which he resolutely and minimalistically just walks up to the emperor without any need to say anything, just stoically and with zero fucks to give he just grabs him, ignores the mortal wounds being inflicted and disposes of him as if a force of nature or an unstoppable mechanical device. Only after the feat is done does he allow himself to succumb to his wounds but still holds on to life to spare one last moment with his son, finally making contact with him as his true self.

    The very notion in the quoted text would be to rob this character any and all nobility and humanity and the majesty and difficulty of this final feat in his life.

    To me the notion rises from a world of sickness that refuses miracles and nobility of soul and heart, a world that shies away from the Light and suffers in the darkness that is so hopeless that it won't even recognize nobility and greatness when it's shining in front of it, instead painting a mask in front of it to disguise it as something banal in order to shield oneself from the Light so as to be allowed to linger in the dark.
     
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    Methinks you might be taking a snarkastic internet jab a bit too seriously my friend.
     
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    Or possibly I saw an opening to inject a sermon! :D
     
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    well so long as you didn't see an opening to inject salmon, that's always a bit fishy.
     
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    Caught Matrix: Resurrections yesterday. If you liked the first two it's a bit of a hybrid of the action from the second and the mindfuckery of the first. Even knowing ahead of time what the Matrix is you're left wondering how much of what you're seeing is Neo's psychosis and how much is the "reality" of the Matrix.

    • Neo using his barrier maiden powers more offensively was a nice change. Effortlessly stopping the kinetic energy of a few dozen bullets suggests he could always have done that but it just never occurred to him to try.
    • I loved the Analyst and am sad he probably will not be a recurring villain. As hoped he's a machine who thinks he knows how humans think but is actually just spewing dumb pseudoscience jargon. And that lack of understanding is his undoing.
    • I am really looking forward to what comes of there being two people now who have the powers of The One. That suggests there could be as many of The One as we want, which is kind of supported by some of the shorts in the Animatrix where people were on the cusp of breaking through in spite of not being the Architect's so-called "rounding error."
    • There should have been way more focus on the alliance with the machines. It's not at all clear why the ones who had Neo broke the truce with Zion.
    • New Morpheus is pointless. He did nothing of consequence.
    • Feralvengion is also pointless and worse will definitely be back later since there's otherwise no reason for letting him live.
    • Swarm mode is dumb. It's just fast zombies again, as if that's not old hat.
    • I don't get what the deal was with the cat. I know it's a reference to Deja Vu Cat but not why the Analyst was so focused on reaching it during the climactic battle.

    I think Siri has figured out what I'm up to though. After leaving the theatre she kept trying to route me down the really slow road home--the one with all the hills and the 55mph speed limit that goes right past the rock quarry.
     
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    I was quite pleased by what I saw, not that it was perfect. I just enjoyed the way they spun the story. I enjoyed the little callbacks to the original, even some of those that were otherwise quite stupid.
     
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    Will be watching it but I don't have a corona pass until the 18th.

    My iPhone has also been trying to get me killed by routing my path to the stables through some of the smallest and lethal roads in the region as opposed to the most obvious route that is actually faster and always dry (due to traffic) that is 95% along the big main road. Instead the route is always trying to use a route which is hardly used, not maintained and that has stuff like mirror ice in 80 degree sharp turns where the road actually tilts to the outer edge of the curve!

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    It will probably benefit from a second trilogy. There's a lot of unanswered questions, and a lot of stuff that hasn't really gone anywhere yet. They'd really drop the ball if they don't follow up on all the dangling threads with Trinity, Smith and the machines. I think they also have room to explore the villain a little more, although if that's the last we see of him it'll be a missed opportunity but not an unsatisfying end to his story.
     
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    Sounds like a nice place to have a picnic compared to warhammer 40k.
     
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    Yea I mean Marvel *still* is a cartoon series written with American children as one of the main audiences in mind.

    I mean I can buy and was bought Spider Man magazines at around the ages of 5-10 or so.

    Imagine buying 40k books for a 7 year old. I mean you could because there are no pictures and their imagination or rather tha lack of it protects their mind but I really wouldn't in any case. Shit's too twisted and complex for them to comprehend and appreciate and might not be a very positive influence... :glee:
     
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    Just watched Hostel since I'm like a jillion weeks behind on my Halloween horror binge. It's basically if the Cenobites wrote EuroTrip, and still intended it as a comedy, but one they would think was funny. "Pay me!? Nobody's getting paid in here! In fact... I am the one paying them!"

    Also: Tarantino. Dude. What're you doing. Everyone agrees Pulp Fiction was cool as shit, you don't need to name-drop yourself.
     
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    Against my better judgement I watched Insidious 2. It picks up exactly at the end of the first one and while it's still pretty scary, the visitors are a lot more jump scary and a lot less "well that's not supposed to be there." One thing I did like is that it's becoming difficult to tell whether something is real or something manifested by a visitor. It's also cool how a lot of the visitors are trying to find help with the bride, a few are themselves trying to actively help, and they're always super fucking creepy regardless. And they set the movie up so it rhymes (this will make sense when it happens, and would spoil things if I were less cryptic.) And the bride herself is very Jack Torrance--they homaged the "Here's Johnny!" scene and all. All in all, a solid sequel and surpassing the first one was probably never possible.
     
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    I first read "behind on my Halloween horror cringe" :glee:
     
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    Also accurate.
     
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    My supervisor asked why I had not immediately committed the latest bug fix.

    I responded with this:



    "Senior Programmer Sheep is as clumsy as he is stupid."
     
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